http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ F&SF Forum » Topic: July 2008 F&SF en Wed, 22 May 2013 22:48:39 +0000 http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-1037662 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:20:32 +0000 MattHughes 1037662@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Standback: "P.S.: A link to your shop would've been helpful!"</p> <p>I didn't want to be that pushy, but since you raise the issue:</p> <p><a href="http://www.matthewhughes.org/the-archonate-bookstore/" rel="nofollow">http://www.matthewhughes.org/the-archonate-bookstore/</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-1037446 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 15:04:53 +0000 Ron 1037446@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>This issue had an alt history story, "Poison Victory" by Albert E. Cowdrey. In this story, Nazi Germany won the Battle of Stalingrad and defeated the Soviet Union.</p> <p>In the story, a Russian resistance movement is briefly mentioned.<br /> I think that idea could form the basis of an interesting alternate history novel. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-1036368 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:25:48 +0000 Standback 1036368@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Your pushiness shan't go unrewarded! I remember Hapthorn fondly, but I only read a couple of the stories. This anthology sounds great, and I've just nabbed it from Amazon. (P.S.: A link to your shop would've been helpful! I googled, and found a pre-shop blog post of yours referring to Amazon rather than your own store. Then I found the link you posted in another thread here on the forum. :P ) </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-1036268 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:45:31 +0000 MattHughes 1036268@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>I'll take the opportunity to note that "Fullbrim's Finding," the last Henghis Hapthorn story to appear in F&amp;SF, is one of the nine stories collected in the collection "9 Tales of Henghis Hapthorn," on my web site at $2.99. </p> <p>"Cheap," as they used to say on the cover of Mad Magazine.</p> <p>What, me pushy? </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-1035293 Sat, 20 Apr 2013 21:26:44 +0000 JohnWThiel 1035293@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Thought I'd bump a four year old magazine topic up just to be doing so. Is anyone interested in reminiscing about this long-ago issue? </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-841 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:27:11 +0000 MattHughes 841@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>And then there's this one: <a href="http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/reviews/magazines/fsf-2008-07.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/reviews/magazines/fsf-2008-07.html</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-819 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:55:46 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 819@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Thanks. I'll bet the period at the end of the sentence got caught in the URL here. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-815 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:52:30 +0000 GerryDaumiller 815@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Gordon,</p> <p>The link you just posted doesn't work.</p> <p>Very strange -- the same link on the Nightshade forum does work:<br /> <a href="http://keilexandra.livejournal.com/163718.html" rel="nofollow">http://keilexandra.livejournal.com/163718.html</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-814 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:50:27 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 814@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Here's an unfavorable but completely fair blog review of this issue: <a href="http://keilexandra.livejournal.com/163718.html" rel="nofollow">http://keilexandra.livejournal.com/163718.html</a>. It's a good example of an unfavorable review that I find helpful. I can see what hit and what missed and I have pretty good guides for gauging why. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-328 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:02:49 +0000 Annie 328@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>The Nightshade board does not seem to like my registration (which I tried to do because I saw a notice from Gordon Van Gelder that he would like to know when the international copies arrive) so guess this is the place to post this: the July copy arrived in Lovech, Bulgaria in Sat, 28 June. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-326 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:59:46 +0000 BlueTyson 326@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>One thing about what eric said :-</p> <p>Calling FSF old fashioned and then holding up Kelly Link as a paragon makes no sense.</p> <p>Nancy Drew pastiche and Faery Handbags? About as old-fashioned as you could get. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=3#post-319 Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:13:43 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 319@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Here's a blog from overseas about this issue: <a href="http://zhaobotong.blogspot.com/2008/06/mag-of-fsf-july-2008.html" rel="nofollow">http://zhaobotong.blogspot.com/2008/06/mag-of-fsf-july-2008.html</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-318 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:05:06 +0000 C.C. Finlay 318@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>That's the thing about magazines (or anthologies or even collections) that publish a diverse range of stories: there's always something for everyone to hate.</p> <p>January and June have been my favorite issues of F&#38;SF so far this year, but July struck me as a fairly typical month for the magazine. I've already got my subscription's worth of good stories and there's still five issues worth of fiction to go. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-317 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:49:48 +0000 galaxie500 317@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Yeah, this discussion reminds me of now deceased Croatian SF magazine Futura. The then editor was compiling the best stories from F&#38;SF, Asimov's, anthologies and awarded stories, and there were people complaining that the most of the published stories are crap, that magazine sucks, that they want more of this and that.<br /> I agree that July issue wasn't the best one this year, but as GVG said, F&#38;SFs greatest years with him at the helm were from 2005-2007.<br /> I can say that because I've been subscribed to the magazine for the last 12 years, and read it occasionally even before that (during K.K.Rusch and E. Ferman). </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-298 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:39:05 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 298@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>I have to say, I'm extremely pleased with the kind of discussion that we've had thus far concerning the July issue. I think this sort of discussion is terrific---even though I'm going to resist commenting on "The Roberts" (for now, anyway). </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-297 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:08:32 +0000 Anonymous 297@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>As a longtime student of Frankenstein, I’m amazed that so few reviewers seem to get the point of “The Roberts.” The only relationships portrayed here between Robert and real women are the first two, failed relationships. Yes, both these women seem to have loved Robert while he made himself appealing to them, but not enough to stick with him while he ignored them. On the other hand, Robert loved both of them, or thought he did: what Robert loves in a woman is not the real woman but the generic, chauvinistic, rosy, image he has of her--a personification of his mother “who adored him.” The point of view in the story is Robert’s, despite its being told in third-person.</p> <p>Grace, whom Robert has made to order, is not a real woman; she’s his unfortunate ideal made flesh. Naturally she acts and thinks like a character from a 1950s magazine. That’s what Robert wants. Robert 2, we may infer, is just like the original--not perhaps as he sees himself, but as the creator of these artificial people perceives him. No wonder he and Robert 2 don’t much like each other. Robert 3, on the other hand, is Robert as Grace (the sentimental embodiment of his idea of femininity) wishes he were. Of course Robert 3 would like to have been a woman. And of course Robert 2 and Robert 3 find each other attractive: the relationship between them makes exactly the same kind of sense as the relationship between Robert 2 and the original Robert.</p> <p>Isn’t “The Roberts” about what Frankenstein is about? What do we make when the things we make reflect us--not who we think we are but who we really are? Because the story is specifically concerned with romantic relationships, it seems to make reviewers uneasy (just as Frankenstein made its first reviewers uneasy), as their almost entirely negative reactions bear out. Why else do they assume that Blumlein’s point of view and Robert’s are indistinguishable? Why do they make absolutely nothing of Robert’s two-week-overdue birth, his missing eye, the link (which should be obvious even to the dullest reader) between his skin condition and that of his disastrous Pakki-flex? Why in the world would a reader who admires the stories in Feeling Very Strange: The Slipstream Anthology complain that “The Roberts” isn’t realistic, doesn’t address the issues of what the artificial Roberts do all day and how society reacts to the possibility of artificial people? Why does almost every reviewer blithely call the artificial people “clones,” when they’re not that at all?</p> <p>I suspect this negativity and apparent misreading are in part because of a distinct tension in our 21st-century culture between current ideals regarding male-female relationships and long-held cultural notions about masculinity and femininity. This tension may be unfortunate, but it exists and it can’t be resolved by proclaiming that the old notions are dead and the new ideals have now, as if by magic, replaced them. If anyone doubts this, let him (or her) take a look at the recently ended campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination. </p> <p>Maybe “The Roberts” deserves more than one uncomfortable and impatient skimming. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-296 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:29:03 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 296@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Another blog: <a href="http://emjay-dee.livejournal.com/29066.html" rel="nofollow">http://emjay-dee.livejournal.com/29066.html</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-288 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:30:32 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 288@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>And here's a review of the issue from THE FIX: <a href="http://thefix-online.com/reviews/fsf-july-2008/" rel="nofollow">http://thefix-online.com/reviews/fsf-july-2008/</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-287 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:29:50 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 287@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Another blog entry about the issue: <a href="http://joesherry.blogspot.com/2008/06/fantasy-science-fiction-july-2008.html" rel="nofollow">http://joesherry.blogspot.com/2008/06/fantasy-science-fiction-july-2008.html</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-270 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:24:29 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 270@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Another blogger checks in: <a href="http://dankoboldt.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/first-look-at-the-magazine-of-fantasy-scifi/" rel="nofollow">http://dankoboldt.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/first-look-at-the-magazine-of-fantasy-scifi/</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-268 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:49:30 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 268@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Issue reviewed by Lois Tilton at IROSF.com: <a href="http://irosf.com/q/zine/article/10427#fsf07" rel="nofollow">http://irosf.com/q/zine/article/10427#fsf07</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-258 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:39:43 +0000 C.C. Finlay 258@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>The July issue arrived in the downtown inurbs of Ohio's capital city today. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-257 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:46:01 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 257@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Here's another blog: <a href="http://julieandrews.livejournal.com/25947.html" rel="nofollow">http://julieandrews.livejournal.com/25947.html</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-256 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:24:52 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 256@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Just remember: You too are not special.</p> <p>(We've been putting a fake classified ad into every issue for a few years now.) </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-254 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:39:35 +0000 ScottDalrymple 254@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Thanks for that last review-- I hadn't yet read the classifieds in the issue, and didn't see that the last one refers to "Enfant Terrible." You wacky F&#38;SF guys! </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-251 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:00:32 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 251@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Another blog entry about this issue: <a href="http://agilebrit.livejournal.com/488380.html" rel="nofollow">http://agilebrit.livejournal.com/488380.html</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-249 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:17:26 +0000 JohnArkwright 249@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>My blog is <a href="http://thearchoftime.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://thearchoftime.blogspot.com</a></p> <p>I like to give my readers plenty of variety, so I have been dribbling out reviews of stories from the issue. I have not yet reviewed Dinosaur Train, my favorite. I thought Dinosaur Train was a well written and well thought out look at the practical problems of a Jurassic Park where not all the dinosaurs are reptiles.</p> <p>My brief review of Fullbrim's Finding is here </p> <p><a href="http://thearchoftime.blogspot.com/2008/05/fullbrims-finding.html" rel="nofollow">http://thearchoftime.blogspot.com/2008/05/fullbrims-finding.html</a></p> <p>My review of Poison Victory is here</p> <p><a href="http://thearchoftime.blogspot.com/2008/05/poison-victory.html" rel="nofollow">http://thearchoftime.blogspot.com/2008/05/poison-victory.html</a></p> <p>My review of Enfant Terrible is here</p> <p><a href="http://thearchoftime.blogspot.com/2008/05/you.html" rel="nofollow">http://thearchoftime.blogspot.com/2008/05/you.html</a></p> <p>--------------<br /> Apologies if I post multiple times. My first time on these boards has been fraught with browser errors. </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-245 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:49:50 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 245@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Looks like I neglected to post the link to this one previously: <a href="http://fantasyscifibookreview.blogspot.com/2008/05/magazine-review-f-sf-july-2008.html" rel="nofollow">http://fantasyscifibookreview.blogspot.com/2008/05/magazine-review-f-sf-july-2008.html</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-244 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:00:19 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 244@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Sam Tomiano's review at SFRevu.com is up: <a href="http://www.sfrevu.com/php/Review-id.php?id=7469" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfrevu.com/php/Review-id.php?id=7469</a> </p> http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/topic.php?id=25&page=2#post-240 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:56:57 +0000 Gordon Van Gelder 240@http://www.sfsite.com/fsf/blog/forum/ <p>Another blogger: <a href="http://marfisk.blogspot.com/2008/05/magazine-of-fantasy-science-fiction.html" rel="nofollow">http://marfisk.blogspot.com/2008/05/magazine-of-fantasy-science-fiction.html</a> </p>