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You don't always need an agent

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  • Started 2 months ago by MattHughes
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  1. MattHughes
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    This might be of interest to those of you who are writing or trying to sell an sf novel. I've just signed the contracts for a multi-novel deal with HarperCollins that account for my nineteenth, twentieth and twenty-first book deals (not counting book club or foreign rights sales), and I have got them all without having an agent pitch and secure an offer. Sometimes, as with this one, I have had an agent negotiate terms after I've received an offer, but I have never yet followed the standard pattern of first get agent, then get deal.

    I've done it largely by schmoozing, at cons (at panels and in the dealers room), at writers conferences, via introductions from one writer or editor to another, sometimes through a query letter. Here's how I took my latest step forward:

    It began with getting to know Lou Anders, before he was at Pyr. I used to see him at cons and we would schmooze. When I was pitching my three Henghis Hapthorn novels, Lou was interested but my numbers were not good enough to appease the bean counters at Prometheus, which owns Pyr. But at the 2007 World Fantasy Convention in Saratoga, he very kindly introduced me to Marc Gascoigne, then publisher of Solaris Books. I followed up by pitching Marco with an idea for a theologically based fantasy. He was considering it when the game company that owned Solaris decided they could operate it with just a few interns. End of that opportunity.

    But a few weeks later, I saw in the trades that HarperCollins UK had very sensibly scooped up Marco to head a new boutique sf imprint called Angry Robot. I renewed the pitch for the theologically based fantasy and, after a very long time, the response from Marco's team was that it sounded a little too literary for their style.

    When I got that news I was writing a contemporary fantasy novelette about a man who accidentally causes Hell to go on strike and comes out of it as what he'd always wanted to be: a caped crimefighter. Believing in the "get right back on the horse" rule, I instantly shot the 15,000 words of rough draft to Marco. He got back to me in a couple of days and said he liked it. When it was 21,000 words and polished (and ready to send to Gordon Van Gelder, the editor I'd had in mind when I started writing it), I sent Angry Robot the full version.

    Angry Robot liked it a great deal. Could I flesh out where the story would go? I did. More weeks went by. I emailed, and yes they were definitely interested, would work up a few numbers and get back to me. Weeks later, I heard from GVG; he was buying the novelette, so I relayed that news to Marco and said, "I appreciate your interest, but perhaps I should be showing this to other houses."

    That rang the bell; Marco said AR would definitely be making a two-book offer with an option for a third. At that point, realizing that this would be a more complex deal than the small press contracts I've been dealing with, I went looking for a UK-based agent. The agent made the deal as three books with an option for a fourth and now the formalities are finished.

    The novelette I sent to F&SF , now abridged to 16,000 words and entitled "Hell of a Fix," will be the cover story in the December/January issue.

    Now I just have to write the books.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  2. rreugen
    Member

    Congratulations, Matt. Thanks for sharing the story.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  3. mlibling
    Member

    Nice going, Matt. The concept sounds terrific. Looking forward to reading the novelette. You've worked long enough and hard enough to have some good stuff come your way. Hope the deal adds up in your favor mightily and majorly.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  4. JohnWThiel
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    Having to have an agent is too much like socialism as it exists in practice.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  5. Kyte
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    Congratulations, Matt. It is interesting to read your post and see how your particular route had to start with your writing but then benefited from your ability to make and maintain contacts with those people.

    Are you now looking forward to doing the writing on those new books, or does it seem like just a job, or is there some of each feeling?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. Kyte
    Member

    Also on my mind: What was your reasoning on hiring an agent to negotiate the terms? I can imagine many plausible answers, but would be interested in hearing your take. And if you are comfortable saying: Was the pay for the negotiation job a flat rate or a percentage or some other form?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. BrianJackson
    Member

    Don't tell my hoes, Matthew. You're gonna ruin Dirty D's game all up, my man.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  8. MattHughes
    Member

    Kyte:

    They will be interesting books to write, a change of pace from my Archonate stories, and this is what I do for a living, so, yes, I'm looking forward to the work.

    I went with an agent because a multi-book deal, where the publisher wants world rights in all directions can make for a complicated contract. Contracts at the big houses are written by lawyers, not editors, and they can be heavily slanted toward the publisher's interest. I know my way around the basics, but it wouldn't be hard to slip some nasty fine print past me.

    The agent I went with had already negotiated some deals with Angry Robot and had achieved mutually satisfactory boilerplate clauses. He also got me more of an advance, though it's not big money, but enough to more than take care of the standard fifteen per cent commission he charges.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. Kyte
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    Thanks for the more information, Matt.

    You have one thing that not everyone has: "This is what I do for a living, so, yes, I'm looking forward to the work." In my limited observation, that is not always the case: I would venture to say that for the majority of people, the things they do for a living have only a small intersection with the things they look forward to. So, why does such a person stay in the job? He or she feels trapped: a paycheck is needed, any change is a definite risk (possibly a big risk) with an indefinite reward, there is a mortgage and kids to support, a job is a job, the current job is tolerable, and one job will be much the same as any other. That seems to be the thought process.

    How many people do you know who look forward to going to their job? Those people are both lucky and (in many cases) foresightful. I think about this a lot in making choices that may affect my future career.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. MattHughes
    Member

    Kyte:

    If you want an old fellow's advice, decide what you would do with your time if you didn't have to make a living, then see if you can make a living at it. You may not get rich, but you're more likely to be happy (and live longer) than if you do something you don't like just to have the money to keep you alive until you don't have to do it anymore.

    That's why I became a writer, forty years ago. Even when I was writing just for the money, I was still writing.

    For a taste of what that was like, see http://www.archonate.com/no-surrender

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. alnico5
    Member

    Matt,
    I'm happy to hear more of your work is in the works.

    Andy

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. garytoh
    Member

    Congratulations, Matt.
    Interesting to read your story and Looking forward to reading the novelette.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  13. sheena_jean
    Member

    Congrats! I'm just now polishing up my first novel and hunting for agents. I flirted with the idea of going straight to the editors or (gasp) self publishing, but decided it wasn't for me. You must be very attentive and cautious to be publishing without an agent! For me, I just feel as if I'll get something messed up or get walked all over.

    Posted 1 month ago #

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